Hi, I'm Sarah and I'm Helen and this is the squiggly careers podcast where every week we share

ideas and tools that we hope will really help you and they do always help us to navigate our

squiggly careers with that bit more confidence clarity and control and we are together recording

this podcast as in in the room. We're always together,

but we're usually not in the same place and I'm usually in my pajamas. But yes, we're in a room.

So if you can hear any background noise, it's because we've hired a room in the centre of London

to record this. And our theme for today's podcast has been inspired by National Careers Week

and also International Women's Day,

which is sort of a week, I think, now of like events. And we were thinking, well, what could we

record that could sort of reference those two moments in time? And we decided that we would

focus this episode on the women who've made a difference to our development. Both to sort of recognise and appreciate

the difference that they've made, but also we thought that in sharing who those people were

and how they'd helped us, you might be able to see some of those people that might have helped

you too and also seek out more of them. That's the point really. If these are the sorts of people

that make a difference to our development, how can we spend more time with people like that?

And we decided that nothing was off limits. So we thought it could be books, could be podcasts, could be TED Talks, could be people, people we've known, people we don't know.

Where do you want to start, Helen? Do you want to start with the book that you chose? We'll start with the book. So the book that I have chosen, the book written by a woman, the woman is Lois P.

Frankel, PhD, that has made a difference to my development, is nice girls don't get the corner office.

And I bought this book in 2005.

The book came out in 2004.

So you've kept it for a long time.

I kept it for a long and it has all of my notes in.

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