Well, hello, and welcome to another episode of the Terry Cole show. I am super psyched about my conversation today with Ross Rosenberg.

Ross is someone whose work really impacted my work.

He is the owner of Self-Love Recovery Institute. He's a psychotherapist, an educator, an expert witness, and an author.

He's known globally, and this is how I knew him, for his expertise in codependency, and pathological narcissism,

narcissistic abuse, and trauma treatment. He's a keynote speaker who has presented in 30 states, in 70 cities, and abroad.

He's been regularly featured on National TV and Radio. The book that really turned me on to his work is called the Human Magnet Syndrome.

It sold over 120,000 copies, translated into 10 languages, and he's got a great YouTube channel as well.

All that information is going to be in the show notes. We really got into it with codependency and narcissism,

so I hope that you learned something and enjoy my interview with Ross Rosenberg.

This is the Terry Cole show, and as you might have guessed, I'm your host, Terry Cole.

For over two decades, I've been a licensed psychotherapist, love and boundaries expert, and I'm also the founder of the Rail of Revolution and Boundary Bootcamp.

On this show, I'll bring you simple strategies based on practical psychology, inspiring expert interviews, and my own insights and observations for my time on the front lines in the fascinating world of entertainment, empowerment, and mental health.

Now let's get going with today's episode.

Wow, I'm super excited to welcome to the show.

Ross Rosenberg, my friend. Hi, Ross.

Oh, Terry, it is so nice to be invited on your show. I love your work, and I think everyone should know about it.

Oh, you're the best. You're your my biggest supporter. Well, one of them. I'm dying to talk about there's so many questions that come into me as you know, all the time about narcissism, about how to deal with narcissists in your life, about how to know if someone is a narcissist.

You're literally the go to and you were for me long before I knew you.

I was familiar with your work long before we actually became friends. And so why don't we just start with should a person decide to live with or remain with a narcissist.

If someone listening is like, I know in a relationship with a narcissist is my only choice to leave. What do you say to that?

My my answer is often complicated, but I'm going to give you a 45 second version of it is the question should not be should I leave or should I stay?

It is am I able healthy enough strong enough to be able to leave and stay left. Now that's a bad use of the language.

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