Welcome to the Tech Policy Podcast, your source for policy rants and raves and the occasional but rare humor from Tech Freedom, your Washington, D.C. advocate for the freedom to tinker and innovate.

I'm then as Horstabber, your host. On today's show, the thorny issue of encryption. Tech companies like Apple say that strong encryption

is necessary to secure Americans' data, but law enforcement agencies like the FBI are saying

that they're going dark and that terrorists are using encrypted messaging apps to plan

attacks and they can't see what's going on. So how do we solve this issue or is there even a solution?

Joining me to discuss this is Ryan Higman.

He is the technology and civil liberties policy analyst at the Niskanen Center, a libertarian think tank based in Washington, D.C.

Ryan, thank you so much for joining me.

Thank you for having me, Evan.

And joining me is Crypto Something, Baron Soka, President of Tech Freedom.

Baron, thank you for joining us.

Crypto Libertarian.

So fake libertarian.

Well, I'm not the one that's rooting for Bernie Sanders here.

Oh, we'll get into that issue, certainly.

Although I might be, depending on what happens.

All right, so listeners, you can guess now which one of us is supporting Bernie Sanders,

and then maybe by the end of the episode, we'll reveal the answer.

So today, Representative Michael McCall, the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee in the

House, and Senator Mark Warner, a Democrat from Virginia, they announced the National

Commission on Security and Technology

challenges. They revealed a bill that would create a commission to study the issue of

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