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The Al Franken Podcast

32: Al Explains the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact to Tommy

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🗓️ 6 January 2021

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

How we can move to a national popular vote without amending the Constitution?

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0:00.0

Tommy, today I thought I'd tell you about something called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

0:09.8

Well, you know me, Senator, and I'm happy to learn those stuff.

0:14.0

Please, Tommy. Call me out. If you don't mind, Senator, I prefer to call you Senator.

0:19.6

Fine, Tommy.

0:20.7

So, this November, Joe Biden won the presidency

0:23.9

by a margin of 306 electoral votes to 232. Wow, Senator, that's a big margin. Yes, it is, Tommy. And yet,

0:33.9

if just 40,000 votes combined had switched in Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada,

0:40.1

Donald Trump could have been reelected to a second term while losing the popular vote by almost 7 million.

0:48.2

Wow, that sure seems screwed up, I'll say.

0:51.2

That's why the candidate elected president should be the winner of the national

0:55.3

popular vote. Jay, you're right, Senator. But to do that, you'd have to pass a constitutional

1:00.8

amendment with two-thirds of the votes in both houses of Congress, and then another three-quarters of

1:06.5

the states to ratify it. Very good, Tommy. You've been doing your homework. But I'm afraid you're

1:12.5

wrong. Huh? You heard me, Tommy. You don't need a constitutional amendment to elect our president

1:19.0

by a national popular vote. Really? Really. You see, Tommy, Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution

1:26.4

says only that the state legislatures shall make the

1:30.0

rules by which each state appoints its electors.

1:34.3

Hull the fallen senator, I thought that ever since George Washington was elected our first

1:39.7

president, that each state legislature automatically appointed the electors for the winner of the popular vote in its state.

1:48.1

Most Americans think that, Tommy.

1:50.7

But actually, in that first presidential election, citizens in only six of the 13 states were even allowed to vote for president.

1:59.7

In fact, it wasn't until the 1880s that Americans

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