Hello, friends. It's the way I heard it. Episode number 319. This one's called Hunger is the best sauce. Chuck, would you agree? Because I know you're a fan of many sauces and have experimented with many gravies over the years on all forms of pasta. Do you think hunger could somehow be the best sauce?

Yeah, I believe if you're hungry enough, it doesn't matter what the sauce is. You don't need no

sauce at all. That reminds me that line from Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. This steak is so good

it don't need no ketchup. Well, this interview is so good that you might just want to skip ahead right now and get

into it, although don't.

Because if you do that, you won't know what you're getting into.

My guest is Michael Easter.

He's a terrific writer, been writing for men's health for a long time and some of the other

outdoor magazines.

I met him last week. I met him

virtually at an event that Dave Ramsey and I co-hosted called America's Labor Crisis. And the

point of the event was to try and talk candidly about the reasons why we've got, you know,

nearly seven and a half million able-bodied men sitting out of the workforce and why it's so difficult to hire these days. And, you know, he had some ideas to help entrepreneurs and small business people. And of course, you know, I'm doing the microworks thing. But he invited some other people onto the stage to talk about the underlying issues of this problem.

And one of those guys is Michael Easter, who has written a terrific book called The Comfort Crisis.

Let me just read one sentence.

This is the one that caught my eye.

In many ways, we're more comfortable than ever before.

But could our sheltered,

temperature controlled, overfed, under-challenged lives actually be the leading cause of many of our most urgent, physical and mental health issues? I'm going to go with yes.

Hell yeah. You'll get halfway through the book and realize the answer, of course, is yes. It's a great read, and it works on a couple of different levels.

First, it's just a great story about a guy who has never been hunting before,

who agrees to get onto a series of increasingly smaller and smaller planes with a modern-day

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