Okay, y'all. Today we are in for such a treat. I know this because I got to sit in on this conversation and it was just such a blessing, such a joyful day.

I got to drive out from Los Angeles to Ohio, California to sit down with Gay Hendrix and his wife Katie Hendrix to talk about life and ambition and goals and relationships and it ended up being over two hours of just such incredible wisdom from teachers who have been in the field of behavioral psychology for the world.

I felt like I was sitting with your dream grandparents and they were making me and Jack coffee and telling us all their wisdom.

And while I originally went out super excited to talk to Gay about his famous book, the big leap.

The conversation that was most profound to me was when his wife Katie joined us and we had what you're about to hear, which is a chat about their very, very, very successful book, conscious loving.

It was on the Oprah Winfrey show. It's sold a bajillion copies and it's all about the healthy way to engage in a romantic relationship.

The line on the cover of the book is a way to be fully together without giving up yourself.

And I devoured this book because I thought it was just such a conscious. I know that's in the title, but a conscious way to approach a relationship and definitely the kind of relationship that I want to have in my life.

One that's based on honesty, one that honors each individual, one that encourages self expression and creativity.

And if you are single, I think you're going to love this. If you are in a relationship, I really encourage that you get your partner, maybe listen to it together.

Because these are two beautiful humans who have been married for 42 years. They're both PhDs. They're so wise. And I am telling you, Jack and I were astounded when we left. We were talking about this.

Like, you could feel it was palpable how in love they are. How in love they are after 42 years. I felt like I was sitting with two teenagers. And I walked out of their house that day thinking, man, if I can't have this kind of relationship, if I can't be in my 80s and still be looking at my partner like this, I don't want it.

Like, this is what I am aspiring to have. So let's listen into this wisdom. I hope you get so much out of the conversation and really want to make sure that if you dig it and you want to dig in further, you grab their book, conscious loving the journey to co commitment.

This is my chat with Gay Hendrix and Katie Hendrix.

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I told Gay this already, but I started with the big leap and then systematically began working through the entire back catalog.

I was like, what else can I get my hands on? And came across this incredible conversation about relationships in a way that I had never really seen done before and felt so healthy to me.

And so aligned with the kind of woman I'm trying to be in the kind of relationship I want to have. So I'm so grateful that I now get to talk to both of you.

Can you tell the story of how how that work came to be?

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