Donald Brink is midway through a series called Creative Kin, over on his podcast, Swell with My Soul.

This week, he chats with board builder and pro surfer Derek Disney.

Creating a new dish that has all these different ingredients.

It's a lot like a surfboard, really.

He's putting all these ingredients into something or whatever.

But lately, I've also been doing sculptures and stuff

and been really excited about that

because after building surfboards for a while

and having this expectation of a function, you know,

it's been really fun to use the same reduction practice,

but for something that's completely unfunctional

and you can just make it however you want

and without having to, you know, float at the end of the day.

You can find full episodes every Tuesday on Swell with My Soul on Spotify, Apple Podcasts,

or whatever podcast app you listen in.

Today's podcast with Taylor Knox is sponsored by NVS Fins.

I remember being in shaping him with Al and one thing, he said something to me once

where I was like kind of threw me off really because I didn't expect him to say it,

but he said, I shaped my surfboards around my fins.

And I was like, that's an interesting comment. Like, you know, he was like, it took me so many years to get the right

set of fins for my surfboards. And I was like, kind of like, wow, that shows how important fins are, really.

Yeah.

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