316: John and Brooke McLay Pt. 4 - How the LDS Church Education System (CES) Harms the Church and Its Members

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

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🗓️ 8 January 2012

⏱️ 88 minutes

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In this episode we interview John and Brooke McLay. John served for 14 years as an employee of the LDS Church Education System (CES). In this capacity he served as: a seminary teacher and principal, an institute teacher and director, a BYU Education Week speaker and an EFY Director. John also served as a member of a stake high counsel, and was serving in a bishopric during the months leading up to his decision to leave the LDS Church. John and Brooke resigned their membership of the LDS Church in August of 2011. This is their story.

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0:37.7	So in your conversations with the Apostle, it sounds like you weren't really asking for
0:42.9	his help to resolve issues.
0:45.8	You weren't looking for him to answer questions.
0:48.6	You were trying to affirm to him your beliefs and help persuade him to help you get reinstated.
0:56.3	I think we just want to be the fallen people.
1:03.8	To repent.
1:04.8	To repent.
1:05.8	I feel guilt all the time, but especially if this is true, because at that time, that
1:16.0	possibility was in my mind and in my heart.
1:19.0	Again, I wanted it to be and so I thought, I don't believe it right now, but faith can
1:24.6	be developed.
1:26.0	If I can reconnect and I can rekindle and I can believe again, I don't know that Brooke
1:31.4	was there.
1:32.4	I think Brooke was more like, I'll reconnect, but...
1:35.0	Yes.
1:36.0	Well, and actually this is a good question to lead us to what happened next because I really
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