There's a grandparent who's talking with their grandchild, and they say in life there's two wolves inside of us that are always at battle. One is a good wolf, which represents things like kindness and bravery and love. And the other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed and hatred and fear. The grandchild stops, and they think about it for a second, and they look up at their grandparent, and they say, well, which one wins? And the grandparent says the one you feed.

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let's dive in and transform our lives. Hello and welcome to another episode of the Mark

Groves podcast. Today I am joined by Eric Zimmer, who is a behavior coach, a certified interface spiritual

director, creator of the spiritual habits program, and host of the very acclaimed podcast, The One

You Feed. Welcome, Eric.

Thanks for having me, Mark.

Can you share a bit of how you came up with that title?

And then I'd love to dive into the Zen practices that you invite people to move towards? Yeah, I mean, my podcast is called The One You Feed and is not a show about social media feeds or food. It's based on an old parable. We don't really know where the parable comes from. Some people insist it's a Native American parable. Other people insist it's not. No scholar can answer the question for me

in any sort of convincing way, so I simply don't attribute it. But it goes like this. There's a

grandparent who's talking with their grandchild, and they say in life there's two wolves inside of us that

are always at battle. One is a good wolf, which represents things like kindness and bravery and love.

And the other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed and hatred and fear. And the grandchild stops. Think about it for a second. And they look up at their grandparent and they say, well, which one wins? And the grandparent says, the one you feed. I don't know where I got the idea, but I was like, I could just do an interview show and that could be the first question I ask of every guest what that means to them as a sort of a jumping off point.

And so that's kind of what it's become. I mean, that story has meant more or less to me over

the years, and there are different ways I could unpack it and take it apart, you know, based

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