Okay, it's Stephen Dubner, is that Governor Romando?

It is, heist Stephen, it's Gina, how are you?

Hi Gina, very nice to meet you, thanks so much for doing this.

Yes, I'm happy to, I'm a secret clause at Economist.

You are 46 years old and you've done a lot.

You have an undergrad econ degree from Harvard, a PhD in sociology from Oxford, as a road

scholar, a JD from Yale, then 10 years in venture capital focused on healthcare, and

then general treasure of Rhode Island before your election as governor in 2014.

So I have to say, when I think of Rhode Island, I think of the tiny state next to Massachusetts,

a state whose most famous resident is probably Peter Griffin from the animated comedy Family

Guy who's a dumpster fire of a man.

Hi, geez, Lois, I just spent all morning on a boat with my friends drinking beer, telling

jokes and scrolling around.

How about a little me time?

I think of a state, imagine a place to deal with.

Tourism ad campaign accidentally featured restaurants from Massachusetts in a scene shot

in Iceland.

But just 10 seconds in, it takes us to a shot 2,500 miles away.

I think of a state that I rarely hear about in discussions of forward thinking technology

or economics or society.

I think of a sort of a land that time forgot.

So a state that's had one of the highest unemployment rates in the U.S., one of the highest

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