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Alright, welcome back to another edition of Mormon Expression, a special edition where it's the afternoon, normally it's dark when we record.

So special conditions for a special guest. So first of all let me introduce my lovely spouse, Zilfa. Hey Zilfa.

Hello John, hello everybody. Hello from everybody.

And you know, things are changing. I am in the Mormon world when you look at what's been going on the last 30 or 40 years, something's happening. And I don't think anybody quite understands it. That includes me and it definitely includes the brother in there. I think they're kind of bewildered.

And there's a few lightning rods to the change that's going on right now and we have the privilege of maybe having lightning rod number one here in studio one a the the famous and infamous depending on where you're from.

John Delin welcome to studio fist in your face, John Delin. I am here at Larsen headquarters and it's a pleasure. So what's your what's your impression.

It's beautiful. We're in Lehigh and I'm sitting in this office with like it feels like I'm in a radio station. There's like four mics and there's you know ear earphone sets for every microphone and John's big huge library of books are surrounding us.

And my guess is it's just a fraction of the books you own, right? These are all the LDS books. We keep all of our other books upstairs in the other room. It's like 200 300 books here. It's quite nice. Beautiful home. Larsen's are wonderful people. Thanks for having me.

Well, thanks for coming. Welcome.

She's nervous. I said I'm feeling a little shy shy. It must be your your just so handsome. He's intimidating. Yeah, John is handsome. I don't think she talks about me. You're you're you're an intimidating fellow. You know you're what are you six four six five six six six six six.

Yeah, I hugged him and I was like my nose was at his belly button and normally she can't she her belly button's in her nose because you know she can't even get close.

So you six six I remember reading that you know hair and height was a huge determiner in executive success and you worked at Microsoft and being six six you gave up a corner office.

That's right. I did give up a corner office. Well, the equivalent to corner office. It's been worth it. I haven't ever looked back really not at all.

I've always a one and on. This is completely off the subject. The paradox of Microsoft everybody thinks Microsoft products suck, but their employees are looked as golden when they're hired by any other company. I've never quite figured that out. So you're you're golden, even though.

Your products are at least something I'm not going to blame. I'm not going to blame John for that. He knows it. I have more apples than I have PCs. I've like three Apple computers and two PCs.

All right. Well, why don't why don't we dive in? You know, John, you're you're you're usually behind the microphone and not in front of the microphone.

So there's a lot of people as I've watched, you know, I we we sort of run in the same circles to some extent watch the same going on and and a lot of people scratch their heads over you.

So we're going to try to peel away the layers of the onion and get down to the bottom of who is John Dylan.

You know what you know what I like best about you is is you know, you started Mormon stories in what was it 2005. Yep. And you've obviously changed a lot during those seven years nearly.

And we always knew where you were. I mean, you can tell you can tell a vintage John Dylan. You can pull a John Dylan that I've never heard and I can listen to it.

I can tell you what year it was based on your you're changing at two bachelor. And I love that. I love that you you wore your own belief and questions and all that in the in the podcast.

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