I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody.

You are listening to the Super Bowl podcast, and I'm Veronica Valley.

Well, I even say my own name.

Veronica Valley.

Now I understand why people I get called

Victoria and Valerie all the time. It's because Veronica Valley kind of melts into one word

and people mishear it. Anyway, glad you're listening. If you've been listening to the show for a while,

can you make sure that you give us a rating or make sure you follow the show and whatever

platform you're listening to? It really does help the show kind of get ranked and noticed and all

of that kind of stuff. And I would really, really appreciate it. So if you have a quick second to

do that on your smartphone, that would be great. Today, I'm going to be talking about what

sobriety is and what sobriety isn't.

Now, this may cause some controversy and there may be some people who listen to this who do not agree with me.

And that's fine. I welcome discussion and different points of view. I want to just define what I believe sobriety is

based on my experience and based on my work, which is actually most of my work back when I was

working as a clinician was in 12-step abstinence-based treatment, but I have also worked in harm minimization as well.

I can't get my words out today. So just in case you don't know this about me, so back in the day,

I've worked in two clinics. I worked with Chip when he was running a clinic in Barry St. Edmonds.

I worked there as a therapist. And then I

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