Hello, this is Owen Jones. Welcome to the podcast. Today Paul Krugman, who is a Nobel

Prize winning economist and a New York Times columnist of course as well. He's one of the

most famous public intellectuals on the face of the earth. And we have a lot to chat about,

zombies. That's something to do with his new book, which we'll talk about about the way the

rights in politics in the United States and elsewhere is based on these deceit and lies and

what the progressives do about that. What's going on in the United States at the moment?

What hopes is there for Biden doing some sort of new deal? What's the role of the progressive

wing of the US Democrats? We talk about the economy, we talk about austerity, we talk about

loads of stuff, obviously very informative and educational. He has a Nobel Prize winning

economy, so he's, I would say pretty knowledgeable. We don't agree on various things like Bernie Sanders,

but we talk about that as well. It's a very informative chat. If you want to help us offer an

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encourage other people to listen to the show, which is great. With all of that, this is Paul Crapman.

Paul, it's a massive honor to have you, Nobel Prize winner, New York Times, best selling

columnists. One of the world's great public intellectuals, so huge honor to have you here today.

Oh, great to be on. What can I say?

That's it. That's fine. Arguing with zombie. This is your updated new book. Let's have a little chat

talking about zombies. I'm a big fan of the zombie film genre, but the thing about zombies,

as we know, is they may be dead, but they're very, very hard to actually kill off.

That's right. Absolutely. Go for it. No, I'm going to say, I mean, this is a, I stalled this,

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