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All right, Brent.

Well, we're now at part three of this interview.

We've covered your history.

We've covered a bit about Joseph Smith.

And then we've covered quite a bit about, you know, kind of maybe a secular theory for the

Book of Mormon and Grant Palmer's view.

And what it is about the Book of Mormon at a high level that you find, you know, valuable

and miraculous or special that secular views just can't quite explain.

We haven't dug much into that, but we've, you know, touched on it a little bit.

Now, given that we're going to, it's kind of funny.

Terrell Gibbons used this word, go down the rabbit hole.

Have you heard that phrase before?

Right.

So what we're going to do now, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way.

I'm lovingly invoking Terrell Gibbons when I say that, we're going to go down the rabbit hole a bit.

And we're going to talk about if you are to believe that there's a God, and if you are to believe that God works, as Richard Bushman said,

if you want to believe in a world where God works, you know, through prophets in this world.

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