At one point I thought it was going to be, I wanted to be a Zen priest or at least get, you know, de ordained.

But I think after a while, I kind of realized I didn't have to go that far.

And when you try, when you try for something, you're kind of failing in a way in Zoom.

I mean, if you're really wanting and working something

is really hard

in Zen,

you're kind of missing the point.

And I think for me,

like just meditating

and just being aware of things,

that's like,

that's all I really need to do.

So that's kind of why

I'll left things in a way.

Oh, wow. Yeah. This is Joe Wong.

Welcome to the Trap Set.

I want to play something for you. You're hearing Cowboy Bob by Butthole Surfers, featuring my guest, King Coffee on drums.

Butthole surfers were formed in 1981 in San Antonio, and King has been a member ever since

1983.

For much of his tenure with the band, Coffee shared double drumming duties with Teresa Nervosa.

Initially known for their experimental brand of psychedelic punk, the band scored a number one

hit on the modern rock charts with their 1996 single, Pepper.

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