The hardest moment was seeing the last face that my sister saw, knowing that those are the eyes that she looked into and she took her last breath.

Well Kelsey, hopefully actually she had Abby's eyes to look into and hopefully they had each other and that's who they got to be with and be there for for each other.

Very short amount of time after Abby and Libby were taken from you guys, you started to advocate for them.

Hello and welcome to the best case worst case. This is Jim Clemente Retired if the I profiler form in the actually prosecutor right to produce or CBS criminal minds at criminal minds.

Evolution on Paramount Plus and with me today is everybody it's francey hakes former state and federal prosecutor and executive producer and writer of Audible's Midwest monster.

Jim, I'm not even really sure how to introduce our guest today. I'm really humbled. I'm very glad to have her on I.

I'm just sort of amazed that she can speak about her experiences and so we are really really lucky to have Kelsey on with us. Kelsey, why don't you introduce yourself to our podcast listeners?

Yeah, absolutely. My name is Kelsey German. I'm the sister of Liberty German. I have been an advocate for the case since 2017 when it happened.

I've spent most of the last five and a half years advocating for it and continuing to do that. And in any way I can even through my schooling and onward.

Awesome. Well, it's great to have you Kelsey. I did have the honor of speaking on a panel with you recently in St. Louis at the national center for victims of crime,

national training institute. And I was literally blown away by your story and your poise and your dedication to this cause.

And so we're so happy to bring you to our listeners and to give you the platform to talk to people across the country and around the world.

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's just so important. So thank you for having me. Well, you know, Kelsey, this podcast Jim, you know, had the idea for this podcast many moons ago now and invited me to come on co host with him and our goal was really to make sure people understood what law enforcement did.

And also really focus on the victims of crime because both of us did that our whole careers and I have to say I just have such incredible admiration and respect for what you've done for Libby and for Abby, of course, but for your sister, it's some.

It makes me feel a little emotional. I have to admit when I think about your dedication over the last five years, your absolute indefatigable spirit, you know, your determination to keep this case in the news and on people's minds. And I think, and I mean, it is really it is my opinion that when families do what you've done for the last five years, it makes law enforcement.

That much more determined to solve cases that are unsolved at the outset. And so I think that you and your fit and sorry, I'm going to get all choked up.

I think that you and your family should feel really proud of your determination to keep Abby and Libby's case in the forefront for law enforcement and you're the reason.

I mean, I really believe this you all are the reason that it looks like there's been a big development and Abby and Libby's case. So I just wanted to tell you that that, you know, I've been following you on Twitter now for a while.

And it's just amazing to me that you are that determined for your sister. And can you tell us a little bit about Libby. I mean, that's something that most people don't really think about. I think she was 14 when she was killed.

But I really want to know who she was. What was it like for you to be her big sister?

And my sister was my best friend. She was a person that was there with me through absolutely everything in our childhood. And we did absolutely everything together. So we had a bond almost more like mother and daughter for a while when we were children.

So we were just that much closer. So everything that would happen to you would tell me and she was always the person that if you were having a bad day, she would come up and tell you some kind of joke to make you smile. She always wanted to make sure you're having the best day. And she was with that with complete strangers. If you looked like you were having the worst day, you were frowning. You weren't having a good time. She would walk over to you and help you feel better.

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