He killed his mother in her bed and then left the home and went to the school.

Young people who are sort of closing their own walls around them are right at the cutting edge.

What aren't we learning in all the study of who these people are that we can't figure out how to prevent?

Hello and welcome to Best Case Worse case. This is Jim Clemente.

You retired if you have profiled former New York City prosecutor, writer, producer of CVS's Criminal Minds and Paramount Plus's Criminal Mind Season 16 Evolution.

And with me today is...

Hi everybody, it's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor and executive producer and writer on Audible's Midwest Monster.

Jim, I'm very excited. We have a... I'm going to call it the Big Cross Over episode. That's literally going to be the title. The Big Cross Over episode with the ladies from the Stop the Killing Podcasts.

And I want them to introduce themselves because this is a Big Cross Over episode. And so we're doing both podcasts all at once.

So why don't we start with you, Kate? Can you introduce yourself to our listeners?

For Ken, Katherine Shwhite. I am also retired from the FBI. I am the author of Stop the Killing, which is the name of our podcast with my co-host sitting next to you, Sarah Ferris.

And also we do a blog by that name. And we do a podcast by that name. Stop the Killing.

And I spent my time in the FBI working National Security Matters until the Sandy Hook Massacre. And because of that, I was pulled from what I was working on and sent to...

sent to solve all mass killings in the world. I think we were doing a great job of that so far.

But I led the FBI's program for a number of years. And then when I retired, I continued to work on that. That's all I do every day is work on trying to stop the killing. It's kind of sad.

And Sarah?

Well, I am a true crime podcaster by accident. So my very first podcast is called Conning the Con and happened out of my poor little sister's experience of dating a serial con man that she met on Tinder, swiped rock.

And then swiped right. And then found out that he was actually not who he said he was. So wow.

Yeah, I know. And it's kind of a story that you think, oh, I've heard that before. But the kicker was he didn't know that we discovered his real identity. So we hit record and spent the next two and a half months hearing his life apart.

So that's Conning the Con.

That is awesome. I love it.

It's just like the shirt you get at crime pun. I'm basically a detective. You told me exactly exactly.

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