308 - Fr. Stephen De Young - Biblical Symbolism: Uncovering Your Father’s Nakedness
The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
4.8 • 933 Ratings
🗓️ 22 September 2023
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
In this discussion we specifically discuss certain sexual and revolutionary symbolism in the Bible, starting with when Ham “uncovered” his father, Noah’s, “nakedness”. Understanding this is a key to understanding Genesis 9, and an important aspect of Biblical storytelling.
Bio: Rev. Dr. Stephen De Young is Pastor of Archangel Gabriel Orthodox Church in Lafayette, Louisiana. He is also the host of the Whole Counsel of God podcast from Ancient Faith and author of the Whole Counsel Blog, as well as co-host of the Lord of Spirits podcast. Fr. Stephen holds a Ph.D. in Biblical Studies from Amridge University.
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Fr. Stephen De Young:
Lord of Spirits podcast: https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits
Fr. De Young’s books, podcasts, and blogs: https://www.ancientfaith.com/contributors/stephen_deyoung
Previous discussions with Fr. De Young on this channel:
- The Son of Man - with Fr. Stephen De Young - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KkjD-sLQI
- Gods, Angels and Demons - with Fr. Andrew Damick and Fr. Stephen De Young - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW_WlIurGtA
- Hope for the Future and the Religion of the Apostles | with Fr. Stephen De Young - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsuxgepcNwQ
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Original YouTuber version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/GQgOYkzj0ek
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Timestamps:
0:00 // Preview clip
1:17 // Intro music
1:42 // Introduction
2:17 // Speaking at conference
3:28 // The legacy of Lord of Spirits
5:33 // Rediscovering the Old World
11:57 // A key in Genesis about Noah
16:23 // Uncovering the father's nakedness
20:09 // Why would Ham do this
25:03 // Usurpation in Scripture
30:06 // The positive side
31:10 // The sin at the beginning of a world
34:10 // Not too close or too far
39:10 // In Christ's story
40:57 // Conceding mediation
44:14 // A more mature understanding of unification
47:22 // Our conception of marriage and family
51:03 // St. Paul saying women must cover their heads
56:37 // Noah's sin
59:11 // Lot's sin
1:01:00 // Knowing your opponent
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| 0:00.0 | Because there are these sort of elements of seduction in the conversation between the serpent and Eve. |
| 0:06.5 | Yeah, but the Bible functions like that. |
| 0:08.7 | Like the Bible also will not say something like the serpent slept with Eve, |
| 0:14.2 | but because of the structure of the conversation, |
| 0:17.1 | you understand that she is submitting herself to him like she would to her husband in a way that suggests a kind of sexual union without necessarily having to like go into the idea that they actually united sexually. |
| 0:32.6 | By the way, this happens all the way through Bible and in positive ways too where for example Christ when he meets a |
| 0:38.7 | Samaritan woman the entire structure of the conversation is one of Christ taking her as a wife |
| 0:44.6 | but we know that he didn't marry her and he didn't have he didn't sleep with her but it's to |
| 0:49.9 | signify the meaning of the of the relationship so we we have to be careful not to fall into the |
| 0:55.4 | same kind of materialism that we're criticizing when we read these stories but rather be |
| 0:59.9 | attentive mostly to what they're trying to help us understand of what's going on and the let's |
| 1:05.5 | say the structure of meaning rather than just wondering like okay so did eve really sleep with the snakes |
| 1:09.9 | like that that's not what it says in the in the scripture, but you can understand that that's what's going on in terms of a relationship. |
| 1:30.8 | This is Jonathan Pesho. Welcome to this is Jonathan Pajot. |
| 1:33.0 | Welcome to the symbolic world. |
| 1:43.3 | So hello, everyone. |
| 1:50.7 | I am here with Father Stephen DeYoung, who I know needs no introduction to the people who are watching my channel. |
| 1:59.2 | Father Stephen is a priest in the Antiochian Church, but he's also the host of the Lord of Spirit podcast, of which we're all huge fans of. |
| 2:05.8 | He's also written several books, and he is key in helping people re-understand the ancient way of thinking, kind of coming back and bringing back an integrated cosmic view. |
| 2:12.4 | And so we really appreciate Father Stephen coming to talk to us. |
| 2:15.8 | A few things to say, Father Stephen is going to be |
| 2:19.9 | speaking at the Symbolic World Summit in February. We are so excited that he is coming. It'll be |
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