307 - Gregg Hurwitz - The Search for Political Nuance

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Education, Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 933 Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2023

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

I sat down again with the American novelist and screenwriter, Gregg Hurwitz. Gregg was part of the Daily Wire+ Exodus series discussion panel with Jordan Peterson, so I thought it was a good time for us to talk about what we took away from those discussions, Exodus, Christianity, CS Lewis, the importance of ritual, temperance, and a nuanced approach to social matters.

Previous discussions:
- New Think - with Gregg Hurwitz: https://youtu.be/nR53MJd8VLI?si=AAIcbBjs4x1pHt9X
- Patterns in Politics and Storytelling | with Gregg Hurwitz: https://youtu.be/ykDHAapyaZ4?si=pNF0KV7uIInAMiUs

Exodus series with Daily Wire+ and Jordan Peterson: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQAppIsV0MmKYhGeFGJsy-dS&si=VxB_bJsEU-QvWHPW

Gregg’s website: https://gregghurwitz.net/

Original YouTube version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/tOhS9Gm_a5I
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Timestamps:
00:00 // Preview
00:41 // Intro music
01:06 // Introduction
01:56 // Gregg's experience with the Exodus series
04:57 // Let the fringe be the fringe
13:06 // Layers of participation
15:04 // The essence of the laws
16:28 // Values and a foundation
20:20 // Humility
22:06 // A structure in which to navigate
25:39 // The necessity of ritual
31:04 // CS Lewis and The Great Divorce
35:28 // Freedom
38:25 // Hell
43:39 // Hypocrisy and accusation
48:09 // The Nine Worthies
54:34 // The messiness of life
1:03:22 // Guilt by association
1:08:54 // Pluralistic ignorance
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0:00.0	Yeah, it reminds you of what is real, like, and what is not real. The online world is really,
0:05.7	in some ways, like the chattering of demons, like these anonymous troll type people. You know,
0:11.7	you also know that not all of them, but a lot of people, that's not their whole personality
0:16.6	anyways. It's almost like, I'm going to go online and I can play this like role.
0:22.5	You know, and then they go back and they like live their life. It's almost like a little
0:25.8	like a little. It's a video game. It's a first person shooter video game, right? I'm going
0:30.5	online. I'm going to own the webs. I'm going online. I'm going to dismantle MAGA people.
0:35.2	And that's my way I'm virtuous.
0:37.0	I'm virtuous.
0:50.0	This is Jonathan Peugeot.
1:02.2	Welcome to the symbolic world. So hello, I am here again with Greg Hurwitz.
1:05.5	Those of you that follow my channel will have seen him on my channel.
1:09.0	He is a bestselling author, he's written Orphinex and several
1:12.4	other series, including Batman, of which I'm a big fan. But he was also part of the Exodus group
1:18.6	that met to talk about Exodus for like 32 hours. And the videos of Exodus have been doing,'s crazy the first episode is more than two million
1:30.5	views on youtube and they've also had you know similar types of success on the daily wire
1:36.1	our daily wire platform and so i thought it would be great with with gregg to talk about our
1:41.5	experience there you know kind of where it led him in his thought
1:44.4	and in my thinking and hopefully, yeah, start from there. So maybe Greg, if you want to start us off,
1:50.5	you were in some ways the, you were like the, the strangest character in the group in the sense that
1:56.7	you came from, like, you know, you came from a more secular world, you know, you're writing novels, you know, you came from a more secular world.
2:03.0	You know, you're writing novels.
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