Welcome to another episode of On the Edge with Andrew Gold. Today we've got Mick West on the channel.

Mick West is a UFO debunker. So we can't only have episodes that are just going all speculative and going

well there's aliens everywhere Mick is really good at pulling apart the

threads of some of the conspiracies and some of the ideas around

UFOs that were spotted and talked about at the congressional hearing by the likes of pilot Ryan Graves and David Grush, who was sort of revealing top secret things,

but Mick suggests what was really seen. So I hope you enjoy this and I think it's important to look at both sides of all of these things. Do go check out the links in the description for Mick and there's loads of big episodes coming out as I often say but now you're on

the edge of the truth about aliens with Mick West.

Mick West as a UFO skeptic what is going on with congressional hearings David

Grush Ryan Graves what are they saying before we go into like what we

actually think they were seeing and stuff what are they saying that they have seen?

Well there's a couple of different things there were some pilots there who said they saw

UFOs and they've had encounters with UFOs and other pilots have had encounters with

UFOs and they're very concerned about that because pilots might bump into

UFOs it could cause a problem and then there's David Gresch, who is an intelligence officer, and he claims that the US government has a secret program reverse engineering flying sources.

Basically flying sources have been crashing for the last

70 odd years. The government has been scrolling them away somewhere in a hangar and has

been examining them and trying to figure out how they work and doing a whole bunch of shenanigans.

And then let's, well there's more isn't there actually because the idea was that, you know, there are crafts the size of football fields there's

this tardest kind of thing was that also grush that's been saying that stuff?

Grush didn't say that the thing is there's a whole kind of array of people behind Grush.

One of those people is a guy called Danny Sheehan, who's a lawyer.

He worked on the Pentagon Papers case a long time ago and and he is kind of a loose lips type guy who's always like

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