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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

308. AI: The Beast or Jerusalem? | Jonathan Pageau & Jim Keller

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.634.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 November 2022

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Dr. Peterson's extensive catalog is available now on DailyWire+: https://utm.io/ueSXh Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, Jonathan Pageau, and Jim Keller dive into the world of artificial intelligence, debating the pros and cons of technological achievement, and ascertaining whether smarter tech is something to fear or encourage. Jim Keller is a microprocessor engineer known for his work at Apple and AMD. He has served in the role of architect for numerous game changing processors, has co-authored multiple instruction sets for highly complicated designs, and is credited for being the key player behind AMD’s renewed ability to compete with Intel in the high-end CPU market. In 2016, Keller joined Tesla, becoming Vice President of Autopilot Hardware Engineering. In 2018, he became a Senior Vice President for Intel. In 2020, he resigned due to disagreements over outsourcing production, but quickly found a new position at Tenstorrent, as Chief Technical Officer. Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion. —Links— For Jonathan Pageau: Icon Carving: http://www.pageaucarvings.com Podcast: www.thesymbolicworld.com Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/JonathanPageau For Jim Keller: Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/jimkxa Jim's Speech, "10 Problems to Solve": https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o70yKYWgtVI&t=21s Jim's Speech, "Overclocking AI": https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L4AgmG8V3LE&t=3s https://open.spotify.com/episode/13evHqkSPMpMMU1zfXEtAg?si=cCmtYe8yQsaAV9_ZUN8j7Q Ian Banks References: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_series — Chapters — (0:00) Coming up (1:48) Intro (5:00) Conceptualizing artificial intelligence (9:10) Language models and story prediction (12:20) Deep story and prompt engineering (18:10) Friston, error prediction and emotional mapping (23:37) Generative models (24:36) Does the intelligence in AI come from humans? (27:26) Can AI have goals that are not understandable to humans? (30:22) When a human records data vs an AI (34:00) When will AI become autonomous? (37:48) To create what could supplant you (47:36) When technology is used to achieve desire, unintended consequences (55:14) Abundance and nihilism (58:30) High human goals and the weaponization of intelligence (1:04:28) AI: Who will hold the keys? (1:14:09) Technology through biblical imagery (1:17:30) When the term “AI” ceases to make sense (1:20:12) What will humans worship in the tech age? // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.com/youtubesignup Donations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES // Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personality Self Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.com Understand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS // Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-for-life Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-meaning // LINKS // Website: https://jordanbpeterson.com Events: https://jordanbpeterson.com/events Blog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blog Podcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL // Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson Instagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.peterson Facebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpeterson Telegram: https://t.me/DrJordanPeterson All socials: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson #JordanPeterson #JordanBPeterson #DrJordanPeterson #DrJordanBPeterson #DailyWirePlus

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone watching on YouTube or listening on associated platforms.

0:19.3

I'm very excited today to be bringing you two of the people I admire most intellectually,

0:26.4

I would say, and morally for that matter, Jonathan Pazzo and Jim Keller, very different thinkers.

0:33.7

Jonathan Pazzo is a French Canadian, matured-gical artist and icon carver known for his work,

0:39.6

featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox among other traditional images

0:45.8

and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel, this symbolic world,

0:51.4

dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion.

0:55.2

Jonathan is one of the deepest religious thinkers I've ever met. Jim Keller is a microprocessor

1:01.5

engineer known very well in the relevant communities and beyond them for his work at Apple and AMD

1:08.6

among other corporations. He served in the role of architect for numerous game-changing processors

1:14.7

has co-authored multiple instruction sets for highly complicated designs

1:19.2

and is credited for being the key player behind AMD's renewability to compete with Intel

1:27.3

in the high-end CPU market. In 2016, Keller joined Tesla, becoming vice president of autopilot

1:35.8

hardware engineering in 2018. He became a senior vice president for Intel. In 2020, he resigned

1:43.9

due to disagreements over outsourcing production, but quickly found a new position at Tenstorrent

1:50.0

as chief technical officer. We're going to sit today and discuss the perils and promise of

1:55.9

artificial intelligence and it's a conversation I'm very much looking forward to. So welcome to all

2:01.4

of you watching and listening. I thought it would be interesting to have a three-way conversation.

2:08.1

Jonathan and I have been talking a lot lately, especially with John Verveiki and some other

2:12.4

people as well about the fact that we seem, it seems necessary for us to view, for human beings to

2:19.9

view the world through a story. In fact, that are when we describe the structures that governs

2:28.5

our action and our perception, that is a story. And so we've been trying to puzzle out, I would say,

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