Welcome to the Calm Mom podcast, the show for ambitious women ready to get off the Hot Mess Express.

I know you've got a lot going on. You work so hard. You're raising an incredible family.

And sometimes it can be overwhelming. I'm your host, Michelle Grocer. I'm a certified master life coach, attorney,

wife, and mom. And years ago, I was right where you are. I was running a busy law practice

while raising a family, and I was on the fast track to burnout. I thought I just needed to be more

organized or have better routines, but it was learning how

to heal and regulate my nervous system that expand in my capacity to gracefully hold more of

this big, beautiful life.

You too are worthy of an extraordinary life in and beyond motherhood.

Learning to be a calm, anchoring presence in your home and at work

is going to be your superpower. If you're here to do the inner work that brings a sense of calm

amidst the chaos, I'm here to join you on that journey. Each time you press play, your growth

continues, so let's get at it. My friends, you are listening to the Kallman

podcast, and I am Michelle Grocer. And today on the podcast, we're talking about perfectionism.

I love talking about perfectionism because I think it's sneakier and more insidious, I think,

than most of us realize. I think, you know, some of us are like, yeah, raise my hand. I know I'm a

I'm a perfectionist. But I think others of us are like, eh, I'm not really a perfectionist,

but it might show up in ways that you might not notice. And it has an impact.

And I'm here to talk about it.

And today on the show, we have Monica Packer.

And I love how she describes herself.

She says, Monica Packer is a normal mom recovering a perfectionist who's uncovered the

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