So once in a while in a Q&A or in a video I will mention in passing something like subtle bodies.

Usually the context where I will mention that is when we talk about angels and the manner in which the church fathers describe angels.

And so I thought I could maybe give some of my own insight on this question.

Now it's important to understand that

my insight is mostly there to help connect the ancient way of thinking with a more

contemporary way of thinking, because sometimes we look at the ancient way of thinking,

and we're such materialist that we struggle to see what it is that the fathers or the ancients are

referring to when they talk about something like subtle bodies.

This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

And so what do we, first of all, what are we talking about when we were talking about subtle bodies?

So the idea is that there are some beings, and angels are the way that is usually described,

that do not have corporeal bodies like we.

They don't have physical bodies like we do.

But they're not also completely spiritual.

That is, they exist in a kind of intermediary realm

in which they have what we could call,

or what the Church Fathers call subtle bodies.

Now the Church Fathers don't completely agree on this.

You'll find obviously different types of descriptions.

Some of the fathers tend to oppose materiality and immateriality very common. you'll find obviously different types of descriptions.

Some of the fathers tend to oppose materiality and immateriality very clearly.

And so in that sense, they'll say angels are immaterial.

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