303 - Ted Lewis - The Technological Society
The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
4.8 • 933 Ratings
🗓️ 17 August 2023
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
Ted Lewis is Executive Director of the International Jacques Ellul Society.
Full bio: https://restorativechurch.org/about-ted-lewis/
International Jacques Ellul Society: https://ellul.org/
The Ellul Forum: https://ellulforum.weebly.com/
Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/JIsypT45UVM
List of books mentioned:
- The Technological Society, by Jacques Ellul
- The Secular City, by Harvey Cox
- The Empire of Non-sense, by Jacques Ellul
- The Humiliation of the Word, by Jacques Ellul
- The Ellul Forum
- I See Satan Fall Like Lightning, by René Girard
- The Space Trilogy, by CS Lewis
- The Technological Bluff, by Jacques Ellul
- The Technological System, by Jacques Ellul
- The Abolition of Man, by CS Lewis
- Presence in the Modern World, by Jacques Ellul
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Preview
00:01:15 - Intro music
00:01:40 - Introduction
00:02:40 - Jacques Ellul's warning
00:05:40 - Ellul's influences
00:06:56 - Biblical images of the city
00:09:03 - Ellul's suspicion of imagery
00:10:45 - Reconciling the word and image
00:12:41 - Ellul: Principalities and powers
00:19:10 - Symbol and the lie
00:24:55 - The positive Image in Scripture
00:31:34 - Ellul now: The Technological Bluff
00:37:26 - The Tower of Babel
00:41:10 - That Hideous Strength phrase
00:43:12 - The divine council
00:50:50 - Ted's work and advice in the modern world
00:56:17 - Closing words
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| 0:00.0 | the dark powers want to use symbol in a way that sort of obfuscates what's really there. |
| 0:06.4 | Powers are always based when they have a kind of a bent agenda. |
| 0:10.6 | They have to have some kind of lie that's inherent to the way they're working in the symbolic world. |
| 0:16.5 | Because true symbol is integrity between what's on the inside and what's on the outside. |
| 0:22.6 | It's kind of the way I think about glory. |
| 0:24.6 | True glory is like pure integrity of what's on the inside and the outside. |
| 0:29.6 | Like a piece of amber, you know, and you put it up to the sun, |
| 0:32.6 | and it's just like this beautiful translucent thing that you look through, |
| 0:36.6 | and it's solid all the way through. |
| 0:39.7 | Whereas a distorted symbol, and now we get into things like idols and advertising and words and stereotypes and things that kind of like have a certain force socially, they're all predicated on some kind of a lie. They have a duplicitous nature. |
| 0:57.1 | They function precisely because the inside does not have integrity with the outside. The outside |
| 1:03.3 | has more of like a grandiosity, which we kind of like almost attribute to things by virtue of |
| 1:09.8 | association. But they're hollowed out. |
| 1:12.3 | They really don't have integrity of meaning. |
| 1:14.9 | Yeah. |
| 1:26.9 | This is Jonathan Pejot. Welcome to the symbolic world. |
| 1:31.3 | So hello everyone. I am very happy to be here with Ted Lewis. Ted Lewis is a director of the international Jacques Eululul society. |
| 1:49.3 | Christian Roy, who you may have seen on this channel and is a good friend of mine, presented us. |
| 1:54.1 | I myself have, you know, read some Jacques, Lule. I've struggled withle, you know, in some ways I feel like his insight |
| 2:01.6 | on technology is very important for us right now to understand the problem of civilization, |
| 2:09.3 | the problem of technology, but also, of course, as an Orthodox Christian and as someone |
| 2:14.0 | who makes images, I've struggled with some other aspects of Jacques Eulul, which is |
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