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Some Work, All Play

304. The Art of Steady Running, Pregnancy and Sponsorships, A Shocking TUE Dashboard, Heat and Heart Rate, Post-Exercise Ketones, and Bicarb!

Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Running, Sports

4.82.1K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Summary

We imagined doing PG-13 things to a very tasty gel before this great episode! The main training topic was a discussion of steady running. Lots of theory talks about “hard days hard and easy days easy.” But we think there’s a place for an addition: “medium days medium.” We discuss the rationale and timing of how to work steady running into a typical week.

We also had a big discussion of pregnancy and sponsorships, after Emma Bates announced that she was no longer running for UCAN. We had a few days to calm down, so the angry rants are strong but less intense than they would have been last week. 

And this one was full of fun topics! Other topics: ankle yeeting, colon health in runners (and David’s screening experience), our favorite gels, a data snack connecting sauna use to lower resting heart rate, a study on sodium bicarbonate’s effect on 5k performance, a big study on post-exercise ketones improving adaptation, a shocking TUE dashboard, hard candy to simulate the mouth rinse studies, depletion runs, hemoglobin levels, and lots more.

Come for the science. Stay for David realizing that his takes are aggressively wrong. We love you all! HUZZAH!

-David and Megan

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0:00.0

Woo!

0:01.0

Welcome to the Some Work All Play podcast. We are so happy with you today. Happy Tuesday. It's Tuesday. And I'm ready for some driveway chase on this Tuesday? Oh, God, no. Don't you ever say that again, Megan? I am still dealing with the aftermath of seeing you do driveway chase last week. Are you still jarred? Oh my God. So the difference between me and you is that I was taking a video of you playing driveway with Leo. It was 7 p.m. at night.

0:23.1

He was on his little strider bike ripping up and down our driveway. He's quite fast on that thing. Your quest's racing now. Like he's all about racing mom. And he legitimately wins because he's just ripping down the driveway. Well, he is on a bike. It has wheels. You don't. Very specifically, you don't have anything close to wheels because of what happened next. So yeah, at 7 p.m. maybe you're a little tired. And I'm filming this for posterity. And all of a sudden, you absolutely yeat your ankle. It turns over fully. And since then, I have studied the tape, Megan. And it is bad. It is one of the worst ankle springs I've ever seen. I have no idea how you were running. Like literally five minutes later, you were five. I ripped this thing hard. To be fair, I was in untied shoes because sometimes what happens when you're parenting and then you just get called up to do a chase. And also, to be fair, our driveway freaking has boulders in it. Wait, wait. It literally just has a few small rocks, which is good for the water table. If a drop of water from, like, rain hits a non-paved surface, that's a good thing. Okay, our driveway has its own water table. I feel like we have like rivers forming and ponds of just sanding water. And this has been a thing in our relationship. It's like, David, I think we should do the driveway. And you're like, oh, hell no. We're going to need couples therapy about the driveway. But we can just pull up the tape and be like Megan's eating her ankle on the driveway. I have pulled up the tape. And you yeeded your ankle on nothing. Your ankle went down sideways. I don't know what you were doing. It wasn't untied shoes. It wasn't a little

1:44.2

bitty-bitty rock. That was something that was just pure Megan. It was like a 90-degree turn. And to be fair, I actually can't go back and watch the tape. It is like nauseating to me. Do you think it's okay to post on Patreon? Or is it too much? You can post just maybe not the video. You could post the still shot of my ankle at like 90 degrees. What's funny because in the

2:02.7

still shot, you're still smiling. Just while your ankle's going down sideways. And Leo's just there looking like a total dupist. Just like so joyful. And it's pretty classic. I did get back up to play. So like two minutes later, I was back racing. And I have no idea how ankles work like that. I think to be serious about a takeaway for everyone is, yes, ankle sprains can be bad, especially when you get them the first time. But once you've gotten them enough, basically no ankle spring can really affect you. So just move your feet real fast and understand that if you keep running, it'll probably get better. You can yeat and rally. Yeat and rally.

2:35.7

That's like the story of my life right now.

2:37.7

I don't get it very much running anymore.

2:38.7

Which is interesting.

2:43.0

I think I've increased my cadence running and kind of worked on my running form, and it's helped a lot.

2:44.8

Yet I truck it in the driveway.

2:46.1

Yet you still yeat.

2:47.3

Okay.

2:48.3

We have the best episode every today. Maybe all yeats. A quick roadmap. My experience with colon health screening, some interesting thoughts there.

2:54.3

Our favorite gels, the art of steady running, perhaps, that's a training discussion.

2:58.2

I think we should keep it in there.

2:59.2

I think it's an important training discussion.

3:00.7

We don't have any specific reason to talk about it, but it's a good one.

3:03.8

And then a lot of science, including a data snack on saunas, a new bicarb study, a post-exercise

3:08.6

ketone study that would be quite expensive if you followed the protocol. Yeah, we were just going to do the math on this and we're like, how much money per day are they spending on ketones? I think I probably did the math wrong. No, I think we're doing the math, right. We'll see. I kind of like my basic bitch ketones approach, but we'll get to that. Then Emma Bates and you can, perhaps not sure. We had anything to add there. A shocking therapeutic use exemption dashboard. Some thoughts about professional running. Plus a Q&A on carbs, hemoglobin, art rate zones, and more. A lot of good stuff on here. A lot of science snacks. I feel like some interesting studies that came out that have some relevant takeaways that we can do kind of quick hitters on.

3:42.3

Oh, I love my science snacks. Yeah, including one that was like done by AI, which is interesting. I have thoughts on that. Wait, the study was done by AI? I mean, it was filtered. It's Terra AI. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. From an AI dashboard type system. Yeah, exactly, which. That was the sauna, the sauna data, yes.

3:56.9

I think the writing was done by AI, too.

3:59.0

I don't doubt it.

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