This is Jockel Podcast number 303 with Carrie Helden and me,

Jockel Willink, good evening, Carrie.

Good evening.

Also, joining us tonight is Dave Burke, good evening, Dave.

Good evening.

So Dave, I've been sitting on this for a while, sitting on this book for a while.

I think I've been sitting on it for almost a year.

Almost a year I've been sitting on this book and I've been waiting for the right time to cover this book

and I don't think there's a better time than right now.

The reason that I don't think there's a better time than right now, you'll figure out, as soon as I say, the title of the book is on the psychology of military incompetence.

On the psychology of military incompetence.

And what does that mean? Well, one thing it means is as we look at military leaders, a lot of times people think, oh, this individual is in the military, they must be awesome.

I mean, look, it happens 100% in the SEAL community.

Oh, this guy was a SEAL.

He must be of the highest character, must be an unbelievable leader, must be a great runner, right?

Must be great at pull-ups and swimming must be the best shot, right?

So people make assumptions about the SEAL teams.

Oh, if you were SEAL, then you must be able to survive at a minimum of 78 days with nothing but a loincloth and a toothpick.

That's kind of, you're picking up what I'm putting down, right?

Same thing happens with leadership. You think, oh, this individual is in the military, they made life and death decisions.

They must be incredible leaders.

And we can also attribute that to leaders in the past too.

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