302. Michael Allio & Jade Chapman on Love After Loss, Building Businesses & Betting on Yourself
Trading Secrets
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4.9 • 5.7K Ratings
🗓️ 25 May 2026
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Summary
On this episode of Trading Secrets, Jason Tartick sits down with one of social media’s most emotionally honest couples — Michael Allio and Jade Marie Chapman.
Michael opens up about his deeply personal new book, Where the Wild Heart Grows, inspired by conversations with his son James about grief, healing, and life’s hardest transitions after losing his wife Laura. Together, Michael and Jade share how friendship became love, why they left the Hollywood lifestyle behind for a quieter life in Akron, and what it’s really like building a blended family rooted in honesty, growth, and emotional intelligence.
The conversation also dives into business and entrepreneurship as Jade shares the journey behind building her skincare company from scratch, while Michael gives an update on St. James Therapeutics and the groundbreaking clinical trial results that could help cancer patients manage painful chemotherapy side effects.
Plus, the couple talks Bachelor Nation, public relationships, money habits, investing, future marriage plans, and the biggest “trading secrets” they’ve learned about life, love, and betting on yourself.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. |
| 0:16.0 | Today we are joined by one of the most emotionally honest couples on social media, Michael Aid and Jade Marie Chapman. |
| 0:23.2 | Michael first became known to audiences through The Bachelorette and Bachelor in Paradise, which you guys know. |
| 0:29.1 | But over the years, people connected with something much deeper. |
| 0:32.0 | His openness around grief, fatherhood, healing, and rebuilding life after unimaginable loss. Now alongside Jay, the two are building a |
| 0:40.8 | relationship rooted intentionality, transparency and family. Michael's newest project, where the wild heart |
| 0:47.4 | grows began is something deeply personal. Stories created to help his son James better understand |
| 0:53.3 | emotions, change, and life's difficult moments. |
| 0:56.5 | What started as a gift for his son evolved into what Michael calls a modern heirloom for families everywhere. |
| 1:03.9 | Michael and Jade, welcome to trading secrets. |
| 1:06.9 | Thanks for having us, buddy. |
| 1:08.0 | Good to see you. |
| 1:09.2 | And it's finally nice in person to meet you. I know we've talked to FaceTime all this stuff, but like it is so nice to meet you in person. Truly it is. How is the book tour? Would you call this a book press tour? Yeah, I think there's going to be multiple stages, but spent the whole weekend in New York and just seeing old friends and doing podcasts and news. And it's so much fun to talk about |
| 1:29.2 | because I've been working on this thing for years. And then it's like now your baby's out into |
| 1:33.5 | the world. So you just share it and then you cross your fingers and hope it lands in the right |
| 1:37.9 | hands. I feel like it's been a little bit of a second since you've kind of done the whole |
| 1:41.8 | podcast and press run. |
| 1:44.5 | Is it fair to say you've taken a little time off to do your thing? |
| 1:48.1 | Well, I mean, we are building seriously the most beautiful life. |
| 1:52.2 | I love what we got going on at home. |
| 1:54.1 | And so it's nice to get out of the house without a doubt. |
| 1:57.1 | You've caged me up, dude. |
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