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I've dream that you were twisting through seven suns of gold

and the gypsy was insisting.

Their story must be told.

I came two in the morning,

but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody, and you're listening to the So Before podcast, and I am joined today by

Sasha Tozzi. Did I say that correctly?

Tazi, yeah. Tazi. Oh, you probably have that all the time, do you? Yes, yes. You're not the first.

I'm really delighted to have Sasha. I've known, sort of known Sasha for quite a few years, really.

I mean, right back to the She Recovery's event in New York, which was 2017.

Yep, seven years ago. Yep. Jeez. And sort of, you know, online connections. And I've just always liked the stuff she posted and had some interactions. I thought, you know, I've got to get her on because she's just really interesting. Sasha, why don't you tell people a little bit about yourself and what you do?

And I want to get into your story. Okay. Awesome. Thank you, Veronica. So now I am a recovery coach.

I do hypnotherapy. I write and I started doing that in 2015 about four years after I got

sober. I got sober in 2011 and it was just kind of a natural evolution to after I did some

healing to want to expand out and help other people and be open

about sobriety and be, you know, loud and unashamed. So I started with blogging and then got

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