Going out for a walk or a run of whatever, if you're going out and doing something on your own, you're always that thought, that concern is in the back of your mind.

We've been told by police that he was cleaning his car, that he was cleaning his clothes, at which point of course my heart sank.

He was very impulsive, this is what we see with impulsive offenders. They typically make mistakes like that because it's not well planned.

Hello and welcome to the best case worst case. This is Jim Clemente Retider, the I pro file former New York City prosecutor and writer producer of CVS is criminal minds and criminal minds season 16 on paramount plus.

And with me today, from afar is hi everybody just like you like it Jim. This is francey Hakes former state and federal prosecutor and executive producer and writer of audible's Midwest monster Jim. I'm very happy that we were able to persuade one of our favorite guests to come back because we're right in the middle of profiling a case and please introduce yourself again, Kathy.

Sure, my name is Kathleen Canning mellow retired FBI agents was wasn't in the FBI for 31 years. And many of those years I spent working in the BAU with Jim Clemente. So it's great to be back in your presence once again.

It's great to have you Kathy and we'll just have to put up with francey, but anyway.

We were last time we were talking about the horrific case of the kidnapping of young mother Eliza Fletcher who disappeared Friday September 2nd when she was jogging at about 430 in the morning, so 34 year old mother of two.

Kathy, we've been talking about this case and we got your insights last time. So let's pick right back up where we left off.

Just in terms of the media strategies were also Jim back in the unit. We also used to assist investigators and prosecutors.

Discussing post office behavior right on these individuals. So I'm not sure I saw a press release about specifically post office behavior, but many of the reports had talked about just as you had mentioned him washing his car. I think it was his brother who was interviewed who said that he was who was washing his car in his clothes.

And his clothes. And his clothes. Kathy. Yeah. So that's, you know, part of the media strategy when you have cases like this is to appeal to people who are close to the subject, right, who may know these people and say, look, you know, the offender here may have, you know, tried to get rid of his vehicle or clean his vehicle or paint it or there may be damage to the vehicle that wasn't there previously.

Or he may try to leave the area very quickly for some emergency that just came up and he won't return till the time when things calm down.

Well, and so Kathy, once we find once we found out, because this was all, you know, we're still trying to figure out is a lies of lecture alive. And I can't imagine.

And my sympathies go out to her family, especially her husband and her children, it's just, it's just in raging and so tragically sad.

But at this point, we've been, we've been told by police that he was cleaning his car that he was cleaning his clothes, at which point, of course, my heart sinks, because now I'm certain that she is no longer alive and wilds would maybe trying to clean his car as close if not trying to remove blood or other evidence, forensic evidence. So Kathy.

What, how, how do police go from there, they told us the suspect refused to say where Eliza was. So you've got his car, you've got him now, you've got his cell phone, but Eliza's cell phone is smashed.

And we don't know where she is. So what are the investigators do to try to find her.

So again, you know, here comes the cast team with their information about the device location that they have of the subject. So they find in area, it was not too, I think seven miles.

Yeah, that's right.

Miles from the abduction site where they can pinpoint or pretty close to it where the offender was in this area. So of course the investigators search teams are going and looking at that era to try to find this, this victim.

And there was a lot of manpower. Isn't it Kathy? I mean, it's not like they can pinpoint, you know, where the body is just because his cell phone was in the area. I mean, they, they sought to put people on the ground, physically hunting with their eyes.

...