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Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reed Galen.

Today, I'm joined by Jeff Kossif, author and associate professor of cybersecurity law

in the United States Naval Academy's Cyber Science Department. He is the author of over 20

academic journals and four books. His

latest, which is now available wherever fine books are sold, is called Liar in a Crowded

Theater, Freedom of Speech in a World of Misinformation, which examines and defends legal protections

for false speech. Jeff received a JD from Georgetown University Law Center and a BA and MPP,

a Masters of Public Policy from the University of Michigan, Go Blue. Today he's coming to us from

Arlington, Virginia. Jeff, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me. Well, as I was saying,

I don't find many books that are usually smarter than me, but Jeff, congratulations. Your book is much smarter than I am. And I want to hit the key things that you're

talking about in here. But first, let's talk with the title. Lyer in a crowded theater. So there is this

long, it's now become, I think, a trope, which is, and it goes back to the Supreme

Court, which you can talk to us about, but which is you can't yell fire in a crowded theater,

right? That there are limits to the First Amendment's protection of somebody saying anything and

everything they want. And the idea being, yelling fire in a crowded theater could create

panic in which someone could get hurt for no reason other than someone's irresponsibility or malice.

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