Chelsea, a member of our community is joining me again on today's episode. If you didn't hear the

first part of our conversation, go back to last week, listen to that first, and then join us here.

Sometimes on the podcast, you're going to hear like sort of a choppy transition. And if you hear

that, just know that perhaps the guest and I, we're talking about some things that it is not

safe to share on the podcast. For example, perhaps a specific location or a specific time.

In this one, I jump right into quoting some scriptures. And so I just want to warn you about that

weird transition. And I had a, she wrote get together at my home with women who live in my local

area. And one of the women, she's not atheist, but she's not Christian. Her paradigm is like

mother nature. And she is an amazing person. And I want to acknowledge those of you who don't

share my particular Christian paradigm or perhaps your Christian, but not of my particular faith,

or you know, whatever paradigm or faith that you come from, that you are welcome here. The

reason why we talk so much about faith, at least me, is because that's how I process my trauma

through my own lens of my own paradigm. And I want everyone to know that you are welcome here,

you matter. And I'm grateful that this is a place where women can really share from the heart.

So in that spirit, I'll be sharing some scriptures today, but it's not with the intent of

like, proselytizing or anything like that. It's just sharing from my experience with something

that really helped me process what's happening. And also taught me a principle that I believe

is very applicable in our situation. All right, I'm going to jump into the conversation now.

From your perspective, why do you think it takes so long to understand that you're being

abused and maybe someone pointing it out to you? Why do you think it takes maybe someone saying,

hey, yo, that's abuse for victims to understand that they're being abused?

For me, personally, I think it's the, I don't know, gaslighting or I don't know,

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