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This is John Batchel, conversation with the author, Daisy Dunn, the missing thread, a women's

history of the ancient world.

What we're looking at here is the most famous of women's history of the ancient world.

What we're looking at here is the most famous of all the women of the Roman times, Cleopatra,

and her effect on people around her.

The aura, as Daisy calls it.

Where did it come from?

What was the revelation?

Because her portraits, as Daisy illustrates, are not overwhelming to our standard of beauty.

However, here's Daisy done to explain Cleopatra's aura,

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