Welcome to How Leaders Lead. I'm Kula Callahan here to bring you another edition of three more

questions with David Novak. David, we've got a fun one today because we're talking about your

conversation with Doug Hirsch, who is the husband of Holly Anderson, and it's our first husband

and wife duo we've ever had on the podcast. Yeah, they might just be one of the top power couples in

the world. I mean,

you know, he's renowned in the world in finance, and she's a renowned cardiologist, and

they've been married for a long time, have a beautiful family, and kind of represent everything

you'd want to have represented in a couple and a family.

So really, really pleased to have Doug on it.

Doug's amazing.

We should get them a plaque that says first married couple to both appear on the How Leaders Lead podcast.

I think both of them have a lot more recognition and trophies and plaques that they would think a little bit

more highly of. But you may be right. Let's do it. Well, Doug also owns the Arizona Drive

professional pickleball team. He is a huge pickleballer. And I love this conversation. He covered

everything from pickleball to chess I love this conversation that he covered everything from pickleball to

chess to his experience in the finance industry it's a fascinating conversation

and I I listened to it and felt super inspired so I'm excited David to get your

take on some of the stuff you talked to Doug about. So let's get going.

Question number one. Doug takes his physical fitness very seriously, and he believes that you can't perform at your best mentally if you aren't at your best physically. What's your take on that, David? I mean,

do leaders everywhere need to be physically fit in order to perform? Well, I think leaders come

in all shapes and sizes. There's no question about that. But I think anyone is better off when

they're physically fit. It gives you war energy, it makes you mentally

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