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tried to record this and realize that I wasn't actually recording, which is always great. So this is an

opportunity to move away from the snappiest style of YouTube videos that I tend to make and have

long-form conversations with interesting guests. Joining me today is Matt Dellaunty, who most of you will know from The Atheist Experience. He's a host there, which is the live call-in show run out of Austin, Texas, every Sunday. But also a public speaker and debater, you've probably seen some of the videos and talks that he's given. And if you haven't, then I recommend that you go and check them out. He's shared stages with people like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson, among others. So thanks for being here, Matt. Thank you very much.

I've been looking forward to this. I don't remember exactly when somebody first introduced me

your content, but I was like, yes, pay attention to this guy. And then on Sunday the 28th day after

tomorrow, you're going to come down and do The Atheist Experience Live, which people actually probably be able to see before. This is...

Absolutely. Yeah, by the time this episode goes out, people will be able to watch that. So if you go and find the episode that airs, the episode of the Atheist Experience that on the 28th of April 2019, we had to see the episode that we've done together. But yeah, I remember it was, it was maybe a year or two ago now that you first, I think you just reached out on Twitter, you sent me a message or something and then you said actually, when you first reach out to me, you said something like people have been saying to check out your content. They've been saying, I should get you on the atheist experience. We obviously can't do that, but let's collaborate some time. And then fast forward,

and here we are, and we're doing exactly that. So, it took ages, but here we are. It's great how time flies. And I'm excited to be here. But I'm, we're out of, we're currently in Dallas, Texas for the Faithless Forum event, which also, all the footage from that will presumably be online. It's a big sort of YouTuber-run conference. I'm going to be there.

Matt's going to be there. We're a big sort of YouTuber-run conference.

I'm going to be there.

Matt's going to be there.

We're here with a whole host of other people. So you'll be able to watch that too. But then we're going to drive down to Austin and do the, to the atheist's experience there. But while we're here and while we've got some time before the conference, I thought it'd be fun to record a podcast episode with Matt. and whereas previously with other guests, I've tended to talk about specific topics

and had a specific reason for bringing them on, with Matt, a lot of people have suggested

you as a guest to have on the podcast.

It's kind of a no-brainer.

But they all want me to talk about different things with you.

But one thing that they all kind of have in common is some kind of relevance to ethics and morality

right so I think it would be good to begin if you could give us an overview of

of where you stand as in in your views to ethics and morality because previously

you've said that you kind of take a Sam Harris line,

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