This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Baxter, spending time with the journalist and extremely helpful

journalist Gary Rivlin. His new book is AI Valley, Microsoft, Google, and the trillion-dollar race to cash

in on artificial intelligence called AI.

We need to meet the personalities who drive the development of what we now regard as magic.

Mustafa Suleiman.

Mustafa Suleiman is born overseas, and he is the child of Pakistani immigrants.

His father, an engineer in Pakistan, is a taxi driver in London.

You've spoken a great deal about AI with Mr. Suleiman.

What's he like?

What do we need to know about his personality?

Actually, Suleiman is Syrian.

His father, in fact, did go to Pakistan.

So, I mean, Sula was fascinating.

You know, I joke he's the British version of the Silicon Valley archetype.

He dropped out of Oxford, not Harvard or Stanford.

So he very curious mind.

He was into politics.

He worked for a little bit in negotiations to help resolve conflict and all, but really wanted to make his impact.

He was really inspired by Bill Gates, you know, raising all this money and then using that

money to have an impact on the world.

And, you know, by chance, he runs into a childhood friend or the older brother of his best friend from childhood.

They're actually playing poker at a casino in London.

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