Hey, Carl here. Richard and I are planning to come back next week with a new episode,

but things got a little crazy for us this past week. So, I've picked an episode from

the archives for your re-listing pleasure. Episode 85, catching up with Gary Tobs, was

originally broadcast Monday, October 2, 2017. I don't know why people are so resistant

to the idea of giving up sugar. Well, yeah, I do. They're addicted to it. I remember

giving Gary's book, Good Calories, Bad Calories, to a family member whom I was concerned about.

They snapped, this isn't Keto, is it? I replied, no, it's just a book about nutrition written

by a New York Times best-selling journalist. Well, that diffused the tense situation, but

it still makes me sad. Just the suggestion that people should consider giving up sugar

and starch brings out the nasty side of people. Hopefully, cooler heads prevail,

and there is none cooler than Gary Tobs. Gary's research, along with that of Nina Tysholes,

Stephen Finney, and Jeff Follick, had a lasting impression on Richard Morris, my Keto guru,

and fellow Keto dude. So, it was an honor to finally talk to Gary Tobs in this interview from 2017.

Enjoy.

Welcome back to Two Keto Dudes. This is Carl Franklin from Connecticut in the United States.

And in February 2016, I put myself on a ketogenic diet to take control of my metabolism.

In just two and a half months, I managed to reverse all my markers of type two diabetes with diet

alone. As of now, I'm 80 pounds lighter with no signs of diabetes or heart disease.

Hi, I'm Richard Morris in Canberra, Australia. I've been on a ketogenic diet since April of 2014.

When I started, I was very sick with complications from type two diabetes. Within six months of

studying ketogenic diet, all of my biomarkers of disease had disappeared. I've also lost around

90 pounds. I've completely turned my health around. Haven't you lost more than 80 pounds?

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