You are listening to the Take a Break Podcast with Rachel Hart episode 299.

Whether you want to drink less or stop drinking, this podcast will help you change the habit from the inside out.

We're challenging conventional wisdom about why people drink and why it can be hard to resist temptation.

No labels, no judgment, just practical tools to take control of your desire and stop worrying about your drinking.

Now here's your host, Rachel Hart.

Hello everyone. Today I have a very, very special interview with one of my dear friends, an amazing coach, and someone who is going to teach you so much about the connection between over drinking and over eating.

Her name is Katrina Ubell. She is a pediatrician. She is a master life coach. She helps doctors lose weight.

And she also approaches the work of losing weight and over eating through the lens of drinking as well, which I think is so rare, so incredible and very, very needed.

She just wrote a book called How to lose weight for the last time. I've read it. It's amazing. And I want to bring her on to the podcast and share her wisdom and her work with all of you because I know that many of you don't just struggle with drinking more than you want.

You also struggle sometimes with eating more than you want. And so this podcast, if you can relate, this is going to be the podcast that I really want you to listen to.

It really is such a great conversation. And she has so many ideas that are going to help you so much. Enjoy.

I am so excited everyone. I'm so excited when I have my friends on the podcast. My friend Katrina Ubell is here. She is talking to us about her new book.

How to lose weight for the last time, which I think is like the most genius of all titles, because isn't that what everyone wants at the end of the day, like, am I going to have to do this again, but I wanted to bring her here because so much of her work applies to the work that all of you are trying to do, changing a relationship to alcohol.

And so many of you listening are not just trying to change your relationship to alcohol, you're trying to change your relationship with food, or you cut back on drinking and then you notice that you start eating more.

And I was telling Katrina before we got started that one of the things that I was so excited about when I read her book was she talks about alcohol in it.

She talks about how it's, you know, when you are turning to food or alcohol and so often it's just we treat them as if they're too entirely separate things.

And so I was just every time I read that on the page, I was like, yes, I was so excited for that. So Katrina, welcome. Say hello. So excited to have you here.

Rachel, I'm so glad to be here and I'm so glad you noticed because that really was intentional, right? Like I just through the experience that I've had with clients, it is, it's a very fluid kind of a place like the food alcohol kind of a thing. And for a lot of people, they're very much intertwined.

And when we, you know, maybe reduce our over dependence or reliance on one, the other one flares up and then we work on that and then the first one becomes a problem again. So how can we figure out a way to co-exist peacefully with both.

Yeah, so, so I don't speak specifically like I can help you with, you know, reducing drinking, but that's a huge part for a lot of people. How, how you figure out how to what I call have peace and freedom around food.

You know, like it, you know, weighing whatever it is you want to weigh my, my goal is not to make everybody thin. I don't think thinner is better or, you know, it's not like a fat shaming thing or anything like that. But there are a lot of people who really, really struggle with their eating, their relationship with food is not the way they want it to be their relationship with their bodies is not where they want it to be.

And that's when I'm working to help put them into.

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