This episode got raw. In Episode 2 of our series, we sit down as husband and wife and say the words that made us most vulnerable: we don’t need each other. What started as an honest conversation turned emotional—tears, tension, disagreements, and a level of vulnerability we’ve never shared publicly. We talk about breaking free from co-dependency, redefining partnership, and what it actually means to choose each other instead of needing each other to survive. We’d love to hear your thoughts— 👉 Did this episode resonate with you? 👉 Did it challenge how you see relationships? 👉 Any insights or personal experiences you want to share? Please keep the conversation respectful and open. This space is for reflection, not judgment. Momentous ▶ Thanks to Momentous for partnering with us! Get up to 35% off your first order using our link https://momentous.yt.link/qjjU1zE or code SHAWNANDREW to try Momentous Creatine Chews for yourself. Kachava ▶ Rewild your nutrition at https://www.kachava.com and use code EASTFAM. New customers get twenty dollars off an order of two bags or more, now through the 31st! Wayfair ▶ Get organized, refreshed, and back on track this new year for WAY less. Head to https://www.Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Dupe ▶ Using https://www.Dupe.com is insanely simple. Just paste any product URL — or even upload a photo — and it’ll instantly show you similar items for way less. There’s also an app and a browser extension if you want to make it even easier. No account needed, totally free. Start saving money with https://www.Dupe.com today. Go-GURT Simply ▶ Go-GURT Simply comes in flavors like Strawberry and Mixed Berry, and you can find it at a retailer near you. Just a quick note: Go-GURT Simply contains 16 grams of total sugar per serving and 5 grams per tube, while Original Go-GURT contains 23 grams of total sugar per serving and 7 grams per tube. Follow our podcast Instagram ▶ https://www.instagram.com/shawnandandrewpods/ Follow My Instagram ▶ https://www.instagram.com/ShawnJohnson Follow My Tik Tok ▶ https://www.tiktok.com/@shawnjohnson Shop My LTK Page ▶ https://www.shopltk.com/explore/shawnjohnson Like the Facebook page! ▶ https://www.facebook.com/ShawnJohnson Follow Andrew’s Instagram ▶ https://www.instagram.com/AndrewDEast Andrew’s Tik Tok ▶ https://www.tiktok.com/@andrewdeast?lang=en (00:00) we don’t need each other (03:00) accolades, do they matter? (10:43) what’s factual vs what’s emotional (15:00) “it doesn’t mean anything if you’re by yourself” (18:47) can you have an integrated, codependent marriage? (26:05) we can, but we’re better as a team (31:11) “i could, but is that what i want?” (38:22) choosing each other (43:56) we don’t know, but we’re trying (52:16) is the grass greener? can i do this alone? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices