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The Talk Show With John Gruber

291: ‘Algorithms, How Do They Work?’, With Nilay Patel

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.63.6K Ratings

🗓️ 31 July 2020

⏱️ 141 minutes

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Summary

Nilay Patel returns to the show to discuss this week’s House antitrust hearing featuring testimony from Tim Cook, Jeff Bezos, Sundar Pichai, and Mark Zuckerberg.

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Back 20 years ago when I worked at Bearbone software, Bearbone, the BB at a people they

0:05.8

had an email client called MailSmith, which was amazing.

0:08.8

It was back when plain text email was still holding on by a thread to a thing.

0:14.9

But I think I'm not a fan of April Fool's Joke's period, but there was an April Fool's

0:19.7

Easter egg where if the date was April 1, it would make an electric shock sound when

0:25.0

email when you got an email.

0:27.3

And there was a preference that only appeared on that day that it was like delivered 20,000

0:31.7

kilovolt shock on new mail or something like that.

0:35.6

And it was like dealing with the support email for that was so, it was the best and worst

0:41.6

of working there because the people who got the joke, which was most people, loved it,

0:47.2

right?

0:48.2

And the ones who thought the right and then the people who didn't understand that it

0:51.7

was April Fool's were so angry.

0:55.8

And I was like, I went to Rich Siegel, the guy, I was like, Rich, I don't know how

0:59.3

about you love this joke, but the people who are angry are so angry.

1:03.4

Yeah, it's, I know that you've talked a lot about like the Apple Pay, the contactless

1:09.6

payment sounds being bad, like you're being punished for paying in a store.

1:13.1

And that's what happens to me every time.

1:15.0

Oh my God, that's the worst.

1:16.9

That is the, I still say the worst sound design I've ever heard.

1:19.7

And I think they've mostly fixed it, although maybe it's just the fact that it's been

1:23.1

so long since I've paid.

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