We're protectors and to me I wouldn't have a choice. I would have to go in there.

There is a classroom with kids even if one of them could be hanging onto life. I need to get in that room.

Thinking about those little kids in those two adjoining classrooms,

laying there dying, calling for help and asking for help and saying, send the police.

Hello and welcome to the best case worst case. This is Jim Clemente Retiret,

if the I profile a former New York City prosecutor, writer, producer of CVS, his criminal mind.

With me today is...

Hi everybody, it's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor.

Jim, our secret service dream team is back and we're going to be discussing

the Uvalde police response from that school shooting here in this country a few weeks ago.

And I want to start off our secret service dream team in Tros with my buddy Max.

Thank you Francie, Max, for the entire secret service 21 years. Happy to be back. Thank you.

Glad to have you. And Jeff James, well no longer a new guest, to best case worst case. This is now your

third episode. Yeah, Jeff James retired after 22 years in the secret service. I'm currently the Chief

of Police at Robert Morris University and the owner of Capital Security Consultants.

Check us out on the web at capitalcapt.ol-security.com.

Thank you Jeff and author Mike.

Yes Mike Roach, I retired from the secret service total of 26 years total, 10 years prior

to law enforcement and the author of Mass Killers, which is available on Amazon.

Well thank you everybody for coming back and continuing this very difficult

and complicated discussion. So let's just jump right back in.

Well that's very true. I mean I think this has been so incredibly educational for me and I hope

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