287. Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality | Helen Joyce

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🗓️ 12 September 2022

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The Trans movement surges across western civilization, necessitating the ego-centric fantasies of gender-dysphoric youths over what once was known commonly as indisputable reality. Helen Joyce and Dr Jordan B Peterson discuss the depths of this truly cultural battle, the dangers of a quickly growing transhumanist ideology, and the unbridled narcissism lurking at the heart of the conflict. Helen Joyce is an Irish novelist and journalist, acting as the executive editor for events and business at the Economist in London. Before this, she trained as a mathematician, graduating from the Trinity College in Dublin, before attending Cambridge. She then acquired a PHD in geometric measure theory at the University College London. She has held many roles as a journalist, working for PLUS Magazine and Significance Magazine, both of which have an emphasis on communicating complex math and statistics to the everyday reader. Later, she would spend three years as the Economist’s foreign correspondent to Brazil, living in São Paulo. In 2018, Joyce curated a series of articles on transgender identity, which lead her to author the Sunday Times bestselling book, “Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality.” —Links— For Helen Joyce: Helen Joyce’s Website & Newsletter “Joyce Activated” - thehelenjoyce.com Helen Joyce’s Sunday Times Best Selling Book “Trans” - https://www.amazon.com/Trans-Sunday-Bestseller-Helen-Joyce/dp/0861543726/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2L25DMQRFMT6N&keywords=helen+joyce+trans&qid=1662808186&sprefix=helen+joyce+trans%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-1 Helen Joyce is the Director of Advocacy for - https://sex-matters.org/ —Chapters— (0:00) - Coming Up (0:57) - Intro (2:22) - Writing “Trans” (9:46) - Women and Biological Reality (19:50) - Age Solidarity Among Women (24:57) - Narcissism, a Key Contributor (34:53) - Fetishes & the Unbalanced Psyche (36:57) - Breaking the Fantasy (42:25) - Freud & the Oedipal Complex (48:11) - Context Defines Your Identity (55:45) - Transhumanist “Meat Lego” (59:40) - The Depth of the Battle, the Death of God (1:05:54) - Lying to Children, Ellen Page (1:10:27) - The Social Pillory // SIGN UP FOR DAILY WIRE+ // www.dailywireplus.com // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.co... Donations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES // Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personality Self Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.com Understand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS // Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-... Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-m... // LINKS // Website: https://jordanbpeterson.com Events: https://jordanbpeterson.com/events Blog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blog Podcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL // Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson Instagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.peterson Facebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpeterson Telegram: https://t.me/DrJordanPeterson All socials: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson

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0:00.0	[♪ INTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪
0:14.7	Hello, everyone. I'm here today with author and journalist Helen Joyce, her first book,
0:22.8	Trans, when ideology meets reality, was a Times of London bestseller in 2021.
0:32.1	She is a longtime staff journalist at the Economist, where she has held various senior positions,
0:38.0	including Britain Editor, International Editor, and Finance Editor. She is currently on leave
0:44.2	of absence from the Economist to work with Sex Matters, a new human rights organization,
0:49.8	campaigning for sex-based rights. Thank you very much for agreeing to speak with me, Helen.
0:56.7	I've been reading your book over the last couple of days and found it. What would you call it?
1:02.0	Unfortunately, compelling. That might be the right term. And this issue of the transsexual rights
1:10.0	and all of the furor and upheaval around them seems in some odd way key to the malaise that
1:17.2	is central to our times. And so people have asked me like they've asked you why I've bothered dealing
1:23.2	with it at all, since it's hypothetically doesn't affect me personally. But maybe we can start with
1:28.2	that, because at the beginning of your book, you pointed out that, while writing this wasn't exactly good
1:33.6	for your reputation, let's say, certainly exposed you to the mad affections of the mob, let's say.
1:41.5	But on the other hand, as we noted in your biography, you are a journalist after all. So maybe we
1:48.0	could start with your thoughts on why this book was necessary and timely. Well, first of all,
1:56.0	thank you for having me on. It's really kind of you to talk to me about it. And I think,
1:59.7	unfortunately, compelling as perhaps the best two-word description of my book I've heard yet.
2:04.7	So why did I write it? I mean, I've been a journalist now for approaching 20 years, and I think a
2:11.4	journalist, a short description, would be somebody who runs towards the burning building rather than
2:15.6	away from it. So when you see something that's crazy, compelling, and moving story, big news,
2:22.8	you shouldn't say, oh, this is going to be trouble, this is going to be difficult to write about,
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