On October 1st, we're giving away a custom-shaped Pat Rosson Surfboard.

One lucky listener will win it, and you'll only be responsible for shipping costs, if any.

He'll shape it in either San Diego or Hawaii, depending on where the winner is.

So if you live in one of those regions, there will be no shipping costs.

Anyway, we do these surfboard giveaways every other month as a thank you to listeners

who make a financial contribution to this show.

You can do that at surf splendorpodcast.com slash donate.

Any amount will enter you to win.

Most people have it set up as a $5 recurring monthly donation. And then also this month is

sponsored by our longtime partner, Spy. So you can use our promo code podcast on their website,

spyoptic.com, and that'll earn you an additional entry to win the board. So for the first time ever,

you can double your chances of winning.

Spyoptic.com promo code podcast.

Thank you, Spy.

Thank you, Pat Rossin.

And then, of course, thank you to you listeners for helping all of this to happen. Today's episode is with one of the world's leading experts on the channel bottom, Dale Wilson.

As you'll hear Dale acknowledge, he credits his experience and actually his career to Alan Byrne.

Or AB is how you'll most hear Dale refer to him. So before we get into Dale Wilson,

here's a brief history on Alburn. In eight-time national champ in New Zealand in the 60s and 70s,

Byrne moved to Hawaii in the early 70s to build surfboards for various labels. After watching a

live broadcast on television for the Apollo 17

moon landing, he decided that he wanted to become an astronaut, so he moved back to New Zealand,

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