Anytime you base your healing or base a need to change an emotion or a perspective and it's contingent on somebody else's ability to apologize in the way that you need them to, you're giving up so much of your power and your autonomy.

So even if you get an apology, it may not be what you want. So your healing has to be

separate from whether somebody can apologize to you in the exact way that you need them to.

I'm Amy. And I'm Abby. And as women, we are constantly comparing ourselves to others.

But your life isn't supposed to look like hers.

Being your best self means standing firm in your decisions

and always being willing to grow with a purpose.

We get vulnerable and real with an honest look into the challenges and triumphs we all face.

Every woman listening gets an opportunity to choose what life looks like for herself. In this interview, we have Dr. Jamie

Zuckerman on the podcast, and we are tackling the hard questions about narcissistic

abuse and relationships and how it relates to the humans who are affected from the narcissism

and then the people who are around them. It is a heavy episode. We go into a lot of detail on

narcissism, narcissistic tendencies, and just how they look.

And it is such a good interview if you feel like you might be in one of these relationships

or if you have a friend or somebody who's close to you who you think might be in one of these

relationships.

All the way at the end, she does list out her resources.

So we just want to make sure that you have those in your back pocket if you need them in the future. But just know that this is such a valuable interview on a topic

that we have not talked about on the herself podcast very much. And we just go into such great detail.

So with that, let's get into our interview with Dr. Jamie Zuckerman. So today we are going to

talk all things narcissism. And this is a word or a term that has gotten really

popular over the last couple years. I've seen it a lot on TikTok, people talking about narcissism.

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