So I feel like if you're just coldly logical about all this, why isn't that a better model than asking people to go to an expensive university for four years,

go into debt, not get any on the job experience,

and then try to go find a job, right?

In this episode, I sit down with Ryan Carson, the CEO of Treehouse to talk about some pretty serious stuff.

Get excited because this is tiny leaves. Big changes. Welcome to another episode of Tiny Leaps.

Big Changes where I share simple strategies you can use to get more out of your life.

My name is Greg Clunice and in this episode I sit down with Ryan Carson.

Ryan is the CEO of Treehouse, a fantastic platform that I've personally used that helps people learn how to code.

How crazy is that?

It's like if you wanted to play a video game

and learn a new skill at the same time, you'd go to Treehouse for that.

They've got great tutorials on pretty much everything.

I've learned JavaScript from it, I've learned HTML, CSS, like all of the sort of very basic web languages, but they've also got a ton of stuff on like

machine learning and AI and just some really, really interesting stuff on the platform.

So definitely check them out at team treehouse

dot com with that said I've got Ryan here on the show with me today and we had a

fantastic conversation we we really dove deep into some topics that are near and dear to his heart.

Things like inequality, things like the role education plays in our lives, things like whether or not a college degree actually matters in today's

society and in the society that we are creating, we get really, really deep with

some of these conversations. uh definitely make sure you stick around all the way to the end

because it was a fantastic talk with Ryan now with that said if you haven't already, make sure you follow me at Greg

Clunis on Instagram at Greg Clunis, G R E G G G G G G C L U N I S. Now here's what I'm going to do for you. If you follow me and then send me a message,

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