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Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

281 | Samir Okasha on the Philosophy of Agency and Evolution

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

Sean Carroll | Wondery

Society & Culture, Physics, Philosophy, Science, Ideas, Society

4.84.4K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2024

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Just like with physics, in biology it is perfectly possible to do most respectable work without thinking much about philosophy, but there are unmistakably foundational questions where philosophy becomes crucial. When do we say that a collection of matter (or bits) is alive? When does it become an agent, capable of making decisions? What are the origins of morality and altruistic behavior? We talk with one of the world's leading experts, Samir Okasha, about the biggest issues in modern philosophy of biology.

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Samir Okasha received his D.Phil. in Philosophy from the University of Oxford. He is currently Professor of the Philosophy of Science at the University of Bristol. He is a winner of the Lakatos Award for his book Evolution and the Levels of Selection, and is a Fellow of the British Academy.


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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome to the Winescape podcast. I'm your host Sean Carroll.

0:04.0

Sometimes now as a card-carrying philosopher, right? I'm a member of a philosophy department as well as a physics department.

0:11.0

People will say either in some natural conversation or just

0:16.1

blurting it out because they've been meaning to. Philosophy is kind of useless.

0:20.2

It's silly. It doesn't address problems that are real and important. It doesn't take into account data and experiment and things like that.

0:29.0

Now most of these objections are prima facie not worth paying attention to but what really makes

0:36.2

me laugh is the idea that philosophy doesn't matter, that it's not important, right?

0:41.3

That it doesn't affect how we go through our lives.

0:44.3

The simple response to all of these objections is that you can't help but do philosophy.

0:50.8

You can only do it well or do it badly. Take for example a very basic question

0:56.5

what is a human being? What things here on earth count as human beings. This is a very important question. It's an important

1:06.5

question for the modern world, not only because we now have artificial intelligence, and you might

1:11.9

wonder whether some thing that was created by

1:15.0

human beings in a computer or in a robot should count as a human being.

1:19.6

But also what about things that clearly aren't human beings but might deserve some rights that human

1:24.8

beings have like other species of animals here on earth? Where is the boundary line between

1:30.3

human beings and other species? What about an octopus? Octopus is clearly not a human

1:36.3

being, but as we learned by talking with Peter Godfrey Smith, they think in quite advanced ways. You might very well think that something like that deserves the kind of moral status as a human being.

1:48.0

And you have to answer these questions. You know, you might just say, here's my answer and move on. You might be

1:54.4

unreflective or not very deep about it but that's not a virtue that's just you being lazy. So today's

2:01.5

podcast with Samir O'Kasha, who is a philosopher of biology, is about these kinds of questions.

2:09.0

In some places it's exactly about these questions, what is a species, what is a purpose, what is an agent, things like that.

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