Welcome to the Calm Mom podcast, the show for ambitious women ready to get off the Hot Mess Express.

I know you've got a lot going on. You work so hard. You're raising an incredible family.

And sometimes it can be overwhelming. I'm your host, Michelle Grocer. I'm a certified master life coach, attorney,

wife, and mom. And years ago, I was right where you are. I was running a busy law practice

while raising a family, and I was on the fast track to burnout. I thought I just needed to be more

organized or have better routines, but it was learning

how to heal and regulate my nervous system that expand in my capacity to gracefully hold more

of this big, beautiful life.

You too are worthy of an extraordinary life in and beyond motherhood.

Learning to be a calm, anchoring presence in your home and at work

is going to be your superpower. If you're here to do the inner work that brings a sense of calm

amidst the chaos, I'm here to join you on that journey. Each time you press play, your growth

continues, so let's get at it.

It's Michelle here. Welcome to the Calm Mom podcast. Thanks for being with us today on the show today.

I'm excited for you guys to hear from my new friend, Justine Carino. She is a licensed mental health counselor.

And she's also an anxiety treatment specialist. So you guys, she spent over 10 years helping people like you and me and our families decrease our symptoms

of anxiety and depression, recover from anxiety disorders, improve our relationships,

and set better boundaries. So she was such a good fit for the

podcast. She is such a good fit. I love all the things that she teaches about. And in this episode

today, we talk about the relationship between being a people pleaser and a perfectionist.

We talk about how people pleasing can contribute to anxiety. And then what I love so

much is that she really teaches how to start breaking the cycle of being a people pleaser. Right.

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