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Achtung Achtung, welcome to We Have Ways that make you talk with me, Almari, and of course, James Holland.

Well, lockdown grinds on, the nation on its knees. What does it have up its sleeve in a time of crisis?

Well, we're here to talk about exactly that, James. Who is speaking to today?

We have got Angie Chatterton from CART, and CART is the organisation that single-handedly looks after and manages the history and heritage of the auxiliary units.

And the auxiliary units were those amazing men who were there to operate behind the lines, should the Nazis have invaded back in 1941?

Good to see me. And the state behinds. The state behinds. Well, the interesting thing about it is Britain is the only country to have prepared a resistance movement before it was needed.

Gosh, well welcome, Andrew, thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much.

I mean, here you are in a way, staying behind to keep the story of the state behinds going because this isn't a sort of headline thing about the Second World War.

It's been written about, it's been in the public domain for sort of decades, but it's still

not like a first thing people think of when they think of 9040.

They think of the home god, they think of Captain Manorning, they think of pitchforks,

they think of people drilling with broom handles, don't they?

So what's the story?

Well, first of all, how did you get into this?

And secondly, what do we know?

Well, start with number one, because obviously there's tons to talk about.

Yeah, so I got into this, I did a history degree and I did a lot of second world war stuff.

And I read a book a bit later by David Lamp called Last Ditch, which was the first book

written about the Orcs units and special duties branch in about 1968.

So, and at the time when it was published, the veterans of the Orcs units, all of whom

had signed the official secrets act were absolutely furious that they were like, that's the one.

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