Trigger warning. This podcast contains descriptions of various abusive situations. Listener discretion is advised.

You are listening to the Preacher Boys podcast, a podcast shedding light on decades of mental, physical, and sexual abuse within the independent fundamental Baptist movement.

The testimony shared on this podcast are told from the personal experience and perspective

of the survivors.

Not all legal outcomes are known or final.

Any suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law.

Now, here's your host, Eric Squarsinski. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Preacher Boys podcast. Now, here's your host, Eric Squarsinski.

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Preacher Boys podcast. Now, I hope at this point that

everybody listening or watching on YouTube to this show has checked out the four-part

documentary series titled Let Us Pray, which is streaming on Max. If you haven't, you need to

because it features some incredible stories from

brave survivors of abuse within the independent Fundamental Baptist Movement. And one of the

central figures in the series is Ruthie Heiler. She's one of the co-founders of the Blind

Eye Movement, a movement that is seeking to equip other survivors like Ruthie. And she is also

someone who put her own abuser behind bars.

When we recorded our first interview, which released a couple weeks ago, that interview was

recorded about a year and a half ago. Ruthie was in the midst of a ongoing legal battle for

justice against her abuser, Aaron Willand. If you've watched the series, Let Us Pray, then you knowuser Aaron Willand. If you watch the series Let Us Pray,

then you know that Aaron Willand is now behind bars for 11 to 40 years. The interview you're

going to hear today was recorded after the sentencing was passed, but before the release of

Let Us Pray, about exactly one week before Let Us Pray premiered on investigation discovery.

So in the conversation, neither Ruthie or I had seen the series yet, but we're going to talk a

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