I would like to welcome you to episode 27 of the Symbolic World podcast.

On this episode, I will be playing for you a talk that I gave at a conference in Seattle in 2017 with Jordan Peterson.

It was called the Northwest Catholic Family Education Conference in October 2017.

At that conference, I gave two talks, one called sacred art in secular terms,

and this one that I'm going to play for you now, which is called sacred space in secular

terms. I won't be putting up the sacred arts talk because it was so image-reliant.

So you can find that on my YouTube channel, but I will play for you this one in which I look at the manner in which sacred space sets up our perception of space, of identity, and especially of how we can come together as a community.

And so enjoy.

Yeah. joy. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

So the title of the original talk, it was supposed to be the truth in space and time.

And as I was working it through and I was preparing thing, I really, I ran out of space and of time to talk about time.

So it's only going to be about space.

And it's really, it's really an extension of, the talk is an extension of what I talked about yesterday.

Yesterday I was trying to, one of the things I was trying to do is to try to get people to see what it means to enter into these patterns that we talk about and to enter

into the frame of references that we need for us to live in the world and maybe even for the world to exist properly. And so that's

mostly what I'm going to do. The subtitle of the talk is also why you should go to church. So it's

like metaphysics of space and also why you should go to church. So hopefully that'll fit together

somehow. So one of'll fit together somehow.

So one of the things, one of the things, if you were all here yesterday morning and listening to Jordan talking, one of the thoughts that he's presented to us, one of the things

that he said right away when I, when I encountered his thinking at the beginning that really

struck me because it seemed to really jive with the way that I was seeing the world and seeing the world

through an Eastern Christian perspective through an Orthodox perspective as he talks about the

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