Three minutes after 10 and you are listening to James O'Brien on LBC where you will not be surprised to learn that we return immediately to the story of at least 27 people drowning overnight while crossing the channel on Wednesday.

I need your help in reminding myself to keep saying people, humans, mothers, fathers, sons, brothers, sisters, cousins, friends,

not migrants, because that is a dehumanizing word. It's not the biggest element of this

conversation or the biggest answer to the question that I'm about to ask you, but I do think

it's part of it. And then there's the obvious answer, of course, which is those assembled,

you see them often on social media, those assembled front pages

from newspapers like the Daily Mail and the Daily Express and the Sun, which are designed to

dehumanise and indeed to turn decent people against other perfectly decent people.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Imagine if all radio presenters were portrayed as potential Jimmy Savils.

You know?

That's what they do to you with refugees and nearly said it already.

And asylum seekers.

They find one very, very bad apple and seek to persuade you that every single

person seeking sanctuary, security and support is a comparably bad apple. And of course,

we've seen recently that some of the people who become bad apples, become bad apples,

arguably as a consequence of the demonisation and dehumanising that they've experienced having got here.

Five minutes after ten is the time.

Here's what worries me.

And forgive me, this is one of those mornings where I speak very much from the heart,

and that means that I may misstep or I may be a bit clumsy,

but I hope we can trust each other enough by now to forgive missteps or to forgive minor breaches of decorum.

I have two immediate thoughts when I hear stories like the one that we heard this morning.

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